Very much just like Bush's stance, Kerry's position on the war is certainly debatable. But I couldn't stop laughing at the points surrounding the word "war". Could you please enlighten us as to how Kerry, "has proven to be wrong" on marriage and life? Thanks for the laugh. I still have tears in my eyes from that one.
"He made all of us safer (not an easy task), he improved the future of millions of Americans."
I certainly don't feel any safer. Do you have any facts to show how we are safer? And what facts do you have to show that he has improved the future of millions of Americans?
Fact - GW has invaded two countries in a single term. One of them for a reason that did not exist. National deficit is at an all time high with no end in sight. Cost of gasoline - the real reason for the war - is pennies away from an all time high. If GW was the CEO of a company, he would have been fired.
Regal you have got to be kidding F911has so many lies and distortions in it that its dicusting, I should fax you a bi-partisan fact sheet on that piece of propaganda. It shows over 59 OUTRIGHT LIES, distortions and errors in that film.
It is a shame that democrats have to stoop so low to try and win an election and can't have an honest debate about policy without demonizing there opponent with conspiracy theories and false accusations.
I mean come on it's embarrassing the crap that comes out of these peoples mouths.
Do the ties with the Bin Ladens really not bother you. Does it bother you that they let their entire family leave the U.S. on Sept 13th while they still frisk your grandmother?
Also, when we are under attack I want a leader that jumps to action. Bush sitting therefor 7 minutes says more about his character than a hundred books.
Does it bother you that the ONLY ones making money on this war in Halliburton? You know, the company that Cheney was CEO of?
Does it bother you that OUR KIDS are dieing in war with a country that posed no threat to the U.S.?
I am a first time voter and have no party affiliation, but Kerry will be getting my vote. While a tax increase is not something I look forward to, there are many other things that are more important to me.
Presidents run for office for one thing only! Regardless who's in office, promises are never fulfilled. We have administrations that are corrupt but organized, figure.
As far as safety is concern, just watch F911. Guarantee u will feel safe.
Overall , the only Presisent that will make this country or any country safe is GOD! Praying is very powerful, try it
Regal - you really should read the 911 commission report, the Lord Butler Report, and the deufler(sp) report-- and try to get facts instead of spreading mikle moores propaganda.
As far as the Bin Laden Family and the Saudi royals who left-- they where cleared by Richard Clark and onley left after the FBI talked to who it needed to and after air traffic was resumed on the 13th.(911 commission)
As to your second point do you think it made a difference whether he stayed calm if front of the kids for a few minutes until they finished or if he would of jumped up right then in a panic. -- John Kerry said when he heard he couldn't think for 45 min.
Next - Halliburton- Did you know that Haliburton was given no bid contracts by Clinton too. Why you ask, because they are the only company who can do what they do on that scale. remember they were also the ones who put out all the kuwaiti oil fires in '91-- The biggest environmental disaster in History.
And yes it does bother me when fellow Americans die overseas-- I have relatives in Iraq.
You say Iraq posed no threat. - Lets do some background first;
Iraq invaded Iran and gased them.
Iraq put down a Kurdish uprising by gasing them.
Iraq has mass graves with over 300,000 bodies in them-(according to the UN)
Iraq invades kuwait
We enforce the UN resolution demanding he leave Kuwait- He then shoots scud missles into Isreal and Saudi Arabia-- dumps 3x as much oil into the persian gulf as was spilled off the exxon valdez. and lights 90% of kuwati oil fields on fire.
Iraq then signs a ceasfire (not an armstice) and in exchange for not going to baghdad he agrees to disarm and disclose among other things.--
He kicks the inspectors out and shoots at our aircraft flying over the no fly zone over 100x per week-- and continuously violates 17 UN resolutions.
Thats the background.
Now regal your the president.(Hail to the Chief).
The CIA, MI6, FBI, Russian Inteligence, the French, The Germans, almost every intelligence agency in the world and Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and Ted Kennedy say he still has wmd.
What do you do- Bush went back to the UN, and got another unanimous resolution with even Syria on board. They send in more inspectors and after some jerking around the UN says that Iraq isn't fully complying again-- You consider another resolution, but france and russia won't go for it- Not only where they profitering off the Oil for Food, but they had huge oil contracts with saddam and where selling him weapons right up until the war started
Also the 911 report showed Iraq's ties to terrorists, (not 911) but terrorists including zarquawi and abu naddel- and that big terror training camp up in northern Iraq.
So your the President what do you do now?? wait for Saddam to give terrorists WMD- if that happened because Bush didn't stand up to Iraq he would have been impeached.-
Although we havn't found any stockpiles we have found the ingredients and technology to make them -- which he could of passed on just as easily.. Some say they are in SYRIA--who knows
IMPORTANT: To win the war on terrorism, we can't just keep killing them when they pop up. We have to change the environment where they are created, (drain the swamp theory) -- If a free and prosperous Iraq spreads democracy and change through the middle east so represive regimes are not breeding terrorists by having 50% unemployment and blaming there problems on the US and start taking responsibility for themselves, then I say our Soldiers are fighting and dying for a noble cause that could change the world for the better. The only way we can loose is if our people don't believe in the cause, and we defeat ourselves..
One more FYI, John Kerry had access to the same intelligence and even made a better case for the war than Bush did, so to say Bush misled and not Kerry is intelectually dishonest.
-- The difference is Kerry supported the war because he didn't think he could get elected if he didn't- then when Dean started winning he changed his tune.
It is apparent to me that Kerry cares more about winning the Presidency than he cares about winning the war. --or anything else for that matter--
I mean come on they told people that if they where elected that crippled people will walk again..
Anyway-- tell me what you think regal- I will have you voting for Bush before I'm done..
Titleguy
"You say Iraq posed no threat. - Lets do some background first;
Iraq invaded Iran and gased them.
Iraq put down a Kurdish uprising by gasing them.
Iraq has mass graves with over 300,000 bodies in them-(according to the UN)
Iraq invades kuwait
We enforce the UN resolution demanding he leave Kuwait- He then shoots scud missles into Isreal and Saudi Arabia-- dumps 3x as much oil into the persian gulf as was spilled off the exxon valdez. and lights 90% of kuwati oil fields on fire.
Iraq then signs a ceasfire (not an armstice) and in exchange for not going to baghdad he agrees to disarm and disclose among other things.--
He kicks the inspectors out and shoots at our aircraft flying over the no fly zone over 100x per week-- and continuously violates 17 UN resolu"
Right. I said no threat to us.
Do I think Kerry Is a great candidate? No, far from it. I am voting Bush out of office, period.
He was put in office as a stooge. Was president of Texas for a while. No secret how that happened. No other credentials.
Texas executes more people than about any state (don't know if it is the #1 state, so I won't make it up).
I am getting old I guess. I voted repub. all my life. 99.9% of what is being discussed in this election is b.s.
I am now voting to get Bush out because of the deaths involved under his history in office. I'm counting Iraqee deaths also.
I look at fighting terrorists like fighting the mafia (no connection to the stupid soprano comment). They are among the people and represent a minority. You don't fight the mafia by blowing up Chicago.
I can't imagine what the innocent families must feel like carrying their mothers and kids back home in pieces because we giving them their 'freedom'.
What if that was happening to us?
I don't know everything that I should probably know about this whole situation. In fact none of us do. We know what we are led to know. I'm just voting my gut this time and I no longer feel we are being the 'good guys'.
Regal -- I hope there are no hard feelings, a political debate doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion or wish you well.
You forgot about - the potential for Sadam to give the WMD Know how, money (which he did), and actual WMD (which everyone thought he had) to terrorists- who would then attack us over here.--- There was a direct threat of that.
Even Kerry thought so.
I think it was Edmund Burke who said, "For evil to flourish, all good men have to do is nothing".
I guess we will have to agree to disagree though. I don't think GWB is that great either, but it bothers me when the rhetoric gets so nasty towards him I don't think a lot of it is honest or fair..
thats just my opinion though..
Anyway, I am not a title rep, I own a small title company, and like to invest in RE when I come across a good deal..
It created a lot of oppotunity if your a roofer lol. -- Actually my area didn't get hit that hard- just power outages etc., they mostly just delayed a lot of closings.
You would have to ask someone in the harder hit areas, I havn't been able to do much research on it-- work too much.
I really meant to let this go, because I'm not trying to persuade anyone anymore. It's all individual choice.
One thing that seems real prevalent in this election is the church getting so involved. I really think the church needs to stay out of government. Telling your followers that a certain vote is a sin really crosses the line.
If someone feels strongly that a certain issue is right or wrong , with no room for interpretation, that's fine. But a church can carry a lot of power over people and this isn't a church state. In fact, this country was built on the right to be free from grip of the church.
After the last couple years of scandels in a certain religious group, I think it would best to keep their opinion to themselves, while they sort out their own 'sins'.
One of the biggest tragedies in this country today is the purposeful misleading of the public on a mass scale.
It's astounding (and frightening) how effectively the Democrat Party has become the weaver of half-truths into a bastardized wholecloth which they wave to rally (hypnotize) their supporters. And it spreads like a virus.
This Democratic "meme" is infecting innocent, half-attentive Americans by the millions....a veritable low-scale, unsuspecting koolaid cult.
We have become truly half-a-nation of unthinking sheep.
For instance, most people don't understand the concept of selectivity bias, the method used by Michael Moore in his film F911. That makes it mere propaganda. You see, a filmmaker could use selectivity bias and produce a film lauding Hitler!
Let me respond to simply ONE of the many sillies posted above:
NO....President Bush is not responsible for the recent legislative effort to reinstate the draft. That was introduced by a Democrat, Charlie Wrangle. He's only been promoting this wacky idea for 2 years now.
You know, Baytitleguy just posted one of the keenest synopses of fact that I've seen in so short a form. And it just seemed to go OVER the heads of Democrat readers.
I think you made some great points especially about attitude people have when you have a difference in opinion regarding politics. I have no party affiliation but I gotta say I just don't trust Bush call it a funny feeling or whatever. There are just some flaws there even upon his entrance in the white house and that wasn't even certain. I am not a 101% sure about Kerry either but frankly the opposition has to be better than the existing president and his administration.
A look at "House of Bush House Of Saud" is an eye opener for one. I can name ten more books to read on both sides of the fence. I never ceased to be amazed at how short peoples memories are. I am not talking about 50 or even a hundred years ago. 5 years seem to be enough time for the haze of time to cover a multitude of sins. Who do you think trained the 1st alqueda terrorists? Who put the Taliban into power?
I wonder how many people who are now condemning Kerry for his stance in VN even saw the hearings. But based on a few well placed pics and sound bites on fox news(because they know most folks would rather look at the pictures than actually read about something and make up their own minds) he is suddenly a commie. I am not necessarily a Kerry fan tho he did do some good work in his early years.
If you think Bush is doing the average American any favors just scratch the surface of his little Astros deal and you'll find out WHO paid the bill on that one. And you think he is in your corner now?Things are not as they appear folks.Scratch the surface. Its a shell game and the American people are falling for it. How can he send a bunch of kids to die when he avoided service at every turn. He got deferment after deferment until he had to join the Texas Ntl Gaurd and then seldom showed up for duty. He and Cheney both were VN no shows. But they will ship your kid off to die. All the while Cheney is still raking up the Haliburton bucks. I am not saying we should never go to war. I did.
For that matter if we are so concerned about weapons of mass destruction what do you think was going on between Pak and India at the same time we decided to invade Iraq? That was far more danger to the world than Iraq was. We KNEW these guys had the bomb and were BOTH threatening to use it but didnt invade them. We invaded a country that it turns out didnt have weapons of mass destruction.
The so called patriot act makes it easy as pie for these guys to read your email, search your home w/o a warrant and put you in jail for months and months w/ no charges. But then as long as you arent an Arab it doesnt hit so close to home. Its just a stones throw to your front door tho. Another regime started off this way and things didnt end up so good.
Hey regal -- we stirred up a hornets nest,--- I was with you about dropping it-- I was going to see if you would invite me out to SoCal for surfing, and RE hunting,-- my favorite sports..
But solutions kid had to ruin it, man that was a long post and it ignores so many facts--
Alright solutions kid allow me to rebutt.
First of all let me agree with you on your first point.. New Ideas and free speach should not be shuned "think outside the box"-- you should help me tell the democrats that when someone wants to discuss change in social security, medicare and tax reform that they shouldn't try to scare the
be-jesus out of old people and poor people for votes.-- because no one is proposing to take benefits away from the elderly, and bush took ten mill poor people off the tax rolls altogether. --and your also right, I wish democrats wouldn't be ashamed of the liberal label -- in it's true cense it is a nice idealogy. -- the problem is that dems shy away from it because they can't win a national election that away-example(Mondale, Dukakis, Dean)- Clinton ran as a centrist.-- Kerry wants you to think he's a centrist, but look at his record.
Secondly--- when bush said your with us or against us --- he was talking to other countrys' who where saying one thing and doing another-- pakistan is who put the Taliban in power, luckily made a wise choice to support us in disposing them (sidenote: do you think Kerry would of done that). Anyway he wasn't saying to Americans your with us or against us-- I doubt the SS has been to your house to torture you. --
No one thinks your un-american, as a matter of fact the only time I've heard that phrase is when democrats through it out to play the victim card. - You and I debating is a great American tradition-- Niether of us are more American than the other.
You also said something about a draft, how can you right a post about honesty in politics and claim Bush wants a draft.
LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO PROPOSED A DRAFT ARE 2 DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE(FACT).-- SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT IF YOU AGREE WITH A DRAFT YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS.
Your other point about the "Herd factor" is absurd. We all know the phsychological phenomanom.. But if it where to apply, then it would apply to the democrats.- Example: Films like 911, biased media, 2 years of anti-bush ads, and book after book full of accusations about Bush have led to a hate frenzy based on conspiracy theories, not fact -- It is insulting to presume that 50% of the country supporting Bush are somehow ignorant cows. --
Your other point about Saddam, no one ever said he planned 9-11, and what are you talking about "Bush let him go"-- last time I checked he was sitting in Prison waiting to be tried and executed by the people he oppressed-The Iraqi's.
As far as Osama is concerned he's got 20k special forces after his ass ( more than before Iraq), and pakistani's on the other side. I'm not sure what more we should do outside of invading Pakistan. (he might even be dead).
You said we went thier soley for wmd, and even the stupidest person in the world Knows Bush Lied to us about Iraq,---READ my previous post about why we went to Iraq,--I guess you ignored the facts before typing your post,
We do not invade countrys simply for having WMD or we would take out Great Britian. Iraq was unique in the world even compared to countrys like Iran and N. Korea, -- The reason his WMD where an issue is because in exchange for a ceasefire where we agreed not to go all the way to baghdad- he agreed to give them up (verifiably) --his history of gassing Iranians, and Kurds. Shooting Skuds at Isreal and Saudi Arabia, shooting at American pilots daily, and filling mass graves with 300,000 bodies and his associations with terrorists( as reported in the 911 commission report) . where reasons for finishing the war he started when he invaded kuwait.. Bye the way the war wasn't really preemptive as he started it.-- I will submit that we finished it at a time of our choosing instead of his.-- Although I guess Kerry would have waited for him to teach a couple of terrorists how to make VX gas first, and then he might have bilateral talks.. right.-- plus read my previous post about Iraq's effect on the war on terror,-- "draining the swamp".
One more thing, how can you be so cinicale to think that we are holding Osama, and waiting until Nov. first to announce it, especially after critisising Bush for not catching him..--- It just doesn't make sense..
Anyway-- I don't mean for the tone of this to be so negative as the freedom to debate and disagree are wonderful things and we should respect each others opinion and not take it personaly, but just listen and consider each others point of view.
P.S. It would be interesting to see if anyone has a good reason to vote for Kerry other than he is not Bush..
I said it before and I'll say it again, voting for Kerry because he's not Bush is the single biggest reason there is to vote for him. And how scary is that! Just think about it. How unbelievably poorly must a person do their job that others are willing to vote for an unknown, untested stranger, just to get rid of you. I'm a registered Republican. And I'm voting for Kerry. I'm not from Texas, and can't judge Bush’s performance as Governor of that state. But he has proven time and again that when it comes to doing the job on a global stage, he's just not up to it. He makes rash comments and rash decisions. He commits our country to actions we are neither prepared nor willing to take. And puts other countries, both allies and others, in positions where they must choose to support his personal agenda or be branded an enemy. In a world where trying to live without other countries, means living like North Korea, Bush has put us on dangerous course that I don't want to follow. I believe that our position in the world can be restored while both our safety and the safety of other countries is protected. Can Kerry do that? I don't know. But the last four years have shown me that Bush is either unwilling or unable to do it. So while I would desperately love to vote for someone in whom I had absolute confidence, I am instead forced to vote against someone in whom I have absolutely no confidence.
Regal that sounds great -- I'll shoot you a post next time I am out there. I've never have surfed in Cali.-- Only Florida, Hawaii, and Costa Rica.
Which gets me thinking I wonder if anyone in this forum knows anything about investing or developing real estate in foriegn country's-- I've done a little research and property in Costa Rica, South Africa and many other places is dirt cheap -and on the rise.
This is a general question as I am not in the position to do anything there now, but have considered it for the future..(you know how we all wish we bought as much property as possible here 30 or 40 years ago --thats where they are now)..-----maybe I should have started a new post--oh well
I was thinking that if the r.e. mkt takes a dump, I would make it a goal to sniff out a good deal along the coast. They say there is only so much land in California, but there really is a TON of vacant land inland. There is, however, only a limited amount on the coast.
all i know is this is my first time voting, and i have no party affiliation, but if Bush wins the election I am moving to canada. no way would i want to live in this country when bush is president... AGAIN... and he only won the first time by default!
when did this site get to be a politcal debate? Why dont you guys take this discussion to a more appropriate venue? there are yahoo groups, usenet groups and websites and blogs galore. [ Edited by reklats on Date 10/22/2004 ]
This was written in the Daily Record (Ellensburg, Washington
paper) on Wed. Oct. 6, 2004. It was written by Mathew Manweller
who is a Central Washington University political science professor.
The title of the article was "Election determines fate of nation."
"In that this will be my last column before the presidential
election there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee.
The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high.
This November we will vote in the only election during our
lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a
once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs
in the balance.
Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of
ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its
past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands.
If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the
next 50 years of history.
If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current
occupant of the White House, the message to the world and
ourselves will be twofold. First, we will reject the notion that
America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier,
stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce
to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle Eastis too big
of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future
presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult
challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity
that has characterized other civilizations.
The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to
future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular
decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the
demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn
away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.
Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe
that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed
terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when
you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded
America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four-hour news
stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut
into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10.
The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in
every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity
of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of
grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the
American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there.
Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American
administration without setting foot on the homeland.
It is said that America's WW II generation i s its 'greatest
generation.' But my greatest fear is that it will become known as
America's 'last generation'. Born in the bleakness of the Great
Depression and hardened in the fire of WW II, they may be the
last American generation that understands the meaning of duty,
honor and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms
are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all)
in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake 'living in
America' as 'being an American'. But America has always been
more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do
more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and
responsibilities.
This November, my generation, which has been absent too
long, must grasp the obligation that comes with being an
American, or fade into the oblivion they may deserve. I believe
that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election
of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century.
Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment
America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe
it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the
greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the
City on the Hill."
this election is a no brainer...we have one party that is for "free enterprise" the other for "redistribution of the wealth" or Socialism...America became the leader of the world under the banner of free enterprise in the short space of 200 yrs. while the mighty powers of the 18th & 19th centuries floundered & died under liberal socialist principles & policies and even today their economies are wrought with 9% unemployment rates (in good times)... Socialism has never worked & never will...everyone here is a "free enterpriser" ...that only leaves ONE party that fits our philosophies and it sure as he** is not the Democrat party. I for one grew up in the north, and have witnessed what the Liberal party has done to Canada and I don't want to see it done here...as Sir Winston Churchill said... "the inherent vice of capitalism is an unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."...Take your choice...CWal
REGAL, I have been reading all the comments back and forth and really did not see a reason to get involved(all the pro bush people were doing great putting your silly comments in place) but I must address the church issue. You obviously dont read the bible so I dont see why you would comment on something you no nothing about. I have never heard of a preacher making people vote a certain way(and if they are that would be wrong). but as a bible believing christian my first duty is to God. and with that said the only logical way for cristians to vote is for whoever shares those same views. all preachers do is remind people what these candidates stand for. bush is anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and other important biblical issues. Kerry is not. so dont sit there and tell the church to stay out of telling people who to vote for. we vote for biblical values and the rest is just politics. honestly, if bush came out today and said he is raising all taxes and is cutting jobs but still shared my biblical points of view, I would still vote for him. all the rest is secondary. we are preparing for a life beyond this one, so are you, you just dont know it yet. Its funny I dont see you telling planned parenthood to stop telling people who to vote for? or the GLADD group? why dont you mention them when they have big parades and rallys telling there people to vote for kerry? The church is powerful because God is poweful and if we can help a better man run this country then so be it. and I know bush is not perfect so please dont bother to bring up anything worng he has done. but he is closer than any candidate to what we believe. and please also dont bring up a few perverts in the catholic denomination and try and act like the whole "church" should be careful what they say, I am sur you would agree that just because a few are sick, doesnt meen everyone is.
Quote:
On 2004-10-14 22:56, california8555 wrote:
<Snip>
George W. Bush
has proven himself an immensely effective president. This disciplined, and independent-minded man took the whole country into a new, unknown path after the tragedy of September 11.
<Snip>
That's all you need to say. Go to the URL below. Turn up the volume and pay attention to the ending. It will give you an even better understanding of what President Bush is all about. http://tinyurl.com/4vz8l
Cute website. Just as a reminder, Kerry voted for the war based on the same information, and the same intelligence reports. Of course that was before he decided to vote against funding the war. Regardless of why we are there, the fact remains that we are there, and we need to finish the job. Kerry even said that sending someone to war without funding it would be irresponsible, and then he did just that.
Good thing he wasn't the president then. Our troops would be fighting with spitballs right now if he were.
How anyone could vote for Kerry, is beyond my understanding. The man is a bold faced liar. He is severely lacking in the character department. He has already sold this country down the road by what he did after the Vietnam War, and what he is continuing to do today. His entire campaign has been based on destroying Bush. He does not have one positive thing to say, and refuses to: Define what, if any "plans" he really has; He has refused to let the public see what his military record really is; and he has refused to let the world see what is really on his wife's tax returns. The man is a total sham and anyone that votes for him, has no understanding of values and character.
Hey Devlon - did you move yet? I just want to see if someone actually had the deciency to follow through on their threat.
Quote:
On 2004-10-21 12:23, Devlon wrote:
all i know is this is my first time voting, and i have no party affiliation, but if Bush wins the election I am moving to canada. no way would i want to live in this country when bush is president... AGAIN... and he only won the first time by default!
[ Edited by hoober on Date 03/07/2005 ]
Great reasoning.... Uh... OK
You'll need some supporting evidence, facts, information, if your going to proclaim bush is the better candidate.
Just a little food for thought
Very much just like Bush's stance, Kerry's position on the war is certainly debatable. But I couldn't stop laughing at the points surrounding the word "war". Could you please enlighten us as to how Kerry, "has proven to be wrong" on marriage and life? Thanks for the laugh. I still have tears in my eyes from that one.
Anyone who says they watched F911 and are still voting for Bush is lying. lol
"He made all of us safer (not an easy task), he improved the future of millions of Americans."
I certainly don't feel any safer. Do you have any facts to show how we are safer? And what facts do you have to show that he has improved the future of millions of Americans?
Fact - GW has invaded two countries in a single term. One of them for a reason that did not exist. National deficit is at an all time high with no end in sight. Cost of gasoline - the real reason for the war - is pennies away from an all time high. If GW was the CEO of a company, he would have been fired.
At least Kerry voters can know that they are supporting a candidate that knows where he stands on the issues! <<--- (sarcastic comment)
[ Edited by Nievana14 on Date 10/19/2004 ][ Edited by Nievana14 on Date 10/19/2004 ]
Regal you have got to be kidding F911has so many lies and distortions in it that its dicusting, I should fax you a bi-partisan fact sheet on that piece of propaganda. It shows over 59 OUTRIGHT LIES, distortions and errors in that film.
It is a shame that democrats have to stoop so low to try and win an election and can't have an honest debate about policy without demonizing there opponent with conspiracy theories and false accusations.
I mean come on it's embarrassing the crap that comes out of these peoples mouths.
Nievena,
Your right -- you do know where Kerry stands on the issues. He stands exactly where whoever he's talking to stands.
Baytitleguy,
I've seen the list and it's weak at best.
Do the ties with the Bin Ladens really not bother you. Does it bother you that they let their entire family leave the U.S. on Sept 13th while they still frisk your grandmother?
Also, when we are under attack I want a leader that jumps to action. Bush sitting therefor 7 minutes says more about his character than a hundred books.
Does it bother you that the ONLY ones making money on this war in Halliburton? You know, the company that Cheney was CEO of?
Does it bother you that OUR KIDS are dieing in war with a country that posed no threat to the U.S.?
This all bothers me.
Have you seen the movie?
I am a first time voter and have no party affiliation, but Kerry will be getting my vote. While a tax increase is not something I look forward to, there are many other things that are more important to me.
Suntzu18
Presidents run for office for one thing only! Regardless who's in office, promises are never fulfilled. We have administrations that are corrupt but organized, figure.
As far as safety is concern, just watch F911. Guarantee u will feel safe.
Overall , the only Presisent that will make this country or any country safe is GOD! Praying is very powerful, try it
God bless all of you
This is fun I don't know where to start.
Regal - you really should read the 911 commission report, the Lord Butler Report, and the deufler(sp) report-- and try to get facts instead of spreading mikle moores propaganda.
As far as the Bin Laden Family and the Saudi royals who left-- they where cleared by Richard Clark and onley left after the FBI talked to who it needed to and after air traffic was resumed on the 13th.(911 commission)
As to your second point do you think it made a difference whether he stayed calm if front of the kids for a few minutes until they finished or if he would of jumped up right then in a panic. -- John Kerry said when he heard he couldn't think for 45 min.
Next - Halliburton- Did you know that Haliburton was given no bid contracts by Clinton too. Why you ask, because they are the only company who can do what they do on that scale. remember they were also the ones who put out all the kuwaiti oil fires in '91-- The biggest environmental disaster in History.
And yes it does bother me when fellow Americans die overseas-- I have relatives in Iraq.
You say Iraq posed no threat. - Lets do some background first;
Iraq invaded Iran and gased them.
Iraq put down a Kurdish uprising by gasing them.
Iraq has mass graves with over 300,000 bodies in them-(according to the UN)
Iraq invades kuwait
We enforce the UN resolution demanding he leave Kuwait- He then shoots scud missles into Isreal and Saudi Arabia-- dumps 3x as much oil into the persian gulf as was spilled off the exxon valdez. and lights 90% of kuwati oil fields on fire.
Iraq then signs a ceasfire (not an armstice) and in exchange for not going to baghdad he agrees to disarm and disclose among other things.--
He kicks the inspectors out and shoots at our aircraft flying over the no fly zone over 100x per week-- and continuously violates 17 UN resolutions.
Thats the background.
Now regal your the president.(Hail to the Chief).
The CIA, MI6, FBI, Russian Inteligence, the French, The Germans, almost every intelligence agency in the world and Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and Ted Kennedy say he still has wmd.
What do you do- Bush went back to the UN, and got another unanimous resolution with even Syria on board. They send in more inspectors and after some jerking around the UN says that Iraq isn't fully complying again-- You consider another resolution, but france and russia won't go for it- Not only where they profitering off the Oil for Food, but they had huge oil contracts with saddam and where selling him weapons right up until the war started
Also the 911 report showed Iraq's ties to terrorists, (not 911) but terrorists including zarquawi and abu naddel- and that big terror training camp up in northern Iraq.
So your the President what do you do now?? wait for Saddam to give terrorists WMD- if that happened because Bush didn't stand up to Iraq he would have been impeached.-
Although we havn't found any stockpiles we have found the ingredients and technology to make them -- which he could of passed on just as easily.. Some say they are in SYRIA--who knows
IMPORTANT: To win the war on terrorism, we can't just keep killing them when they pop up. We have to change the environment where they are created, (drain the swamp theory) -- If a free and prosperous Iraq spreads democracy and change through the middle east so represive regimes are not breeding terrorists by having 50% unemployment and blaming there problems on the US and start taking responsibility for themselves, then I say our Soldiers are fighting and dying for a noble cause that could change the world for the better. The only way we can loose is if our people don't believe in the cause, and we defeat ourselves..
One more FYI, John Kerry had access to the same intelligence and even made a better case for the war than Bush did, so to say Bush misled and not Kerry is intelectually dishonest.
-- The difference is Kerry supported the war because he didn't think he could get elected if he didn't- then when Dean started winning he changed his tune.
It is apparent to me that Kerry cares more about winning the Presidency than he cares about winning the war. --or anything else for that matter--
I mean come on they told people that if they where elected that crippled people will walk again..
Anyway-- tell me what you think regal- I will have you voting for Bush before I'm done..
Have a nice day
Titleguy
"You say Iraq posed no threat. - Lets do some background first;
Iraq invaded Iran and gased them.
Iraq put down a Kurdish uprising by gasing them.
Iraq has mass graves with over 300,000 bodies in them-(according to the UN)
Iraq invades kuwait
We enforce the UN resolution demanding he leave Kuwait- He then shoots scud missles into Isreal and Saudi Arabia-- dumps 3x as much oil into the persian gulf as was spilled off the exxon valdez. and lights 90% of kuwati oil fields on fire.
Iraq then signs a ceasfire (not an armstice) and in exchange for not going to baghdad he agrees to disarm and disclose among other things.--
He kicks the inspectors out and shoots at our aircraft flying over the no fly zone over 100x per week-- and continuously violates 17 UN resolu"
Right. I said no threat to us.
Do I think Kerry Is a great candidate? No, far from it. I am voting Bush out of office, period.
He was put in office as a stooge. Was president of Texas for a while. No secret how that happened. No other credentials.
Texas executes more people than about any state (don't know if it is the #1 state, so I won't make it up).
I am getting old I guess. I voted repub. all my life. 99.9% of what is being discussed in this election is b.s.
I am now voting to get Bush out because of the deaths involved under his history in office. I'm counting Iraqee deaths also.
I look at fighting terrorists like fighting the mafia (no connection to the stupid soprano comment). They are among the people and represent a minority. You don't fight the mafia by blowing up Chicago.
I can't imagine what the innocent families must feel like carrying their mothers and kids back home in pieces because we giving them their 'freedom'.
What if that was happening to us?
I don't know everything that I should probably know about this whole situation. In fact none of us do. We know what we are led to know. I'm just voting my gut this time and I no longer feel we are being the 'good guys'.
That's it.
Titleguy - One other thing.
You ask do I really think it matters how Bush reacted to the attack while in the classroom.
Yup. It probably matters the most to me.
I've been around the block and his reaction wasn't right. Ok now I'm done.
btw, are u a title rep?
Regal -- I hope there are no hard feelings, a political debate doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion or wish you well.
You forgot about - the potential for Sadam to give the WMD Know how, money (which he did), and actual WMD (which everyone thought he had) to terrorists- who would then attack us over here.--- There was a direct threat of that.
Even Kerry thought so.
I think it was Edmund Burke who said, "For evil to flourish, all good men have to do is nothing".
I guess we will have to agree to disagree though. I don't think GWB is that great either, but it bothers me when the rhetoric gets so nasty towards him I don't think a lot of it is honest or fair..
thats just my opinion though..
Anyway, I am not a title rep, I own a small title company, and like to invest in RE when I come across a good deal..
Why do you ask???
Titledude-
My best friend is a title rep at Chicago title.
Did the hurricanes create any r.e. opportunities?
I flip in So. California. The market here is really softening.
regal,
Chicago title is a good company.
It created a lot of oppotunity if your a roofer lol. -- Actually my area didn't get hit that hard- just power outages etc., they mostly just delayed a lot of closings.
You would have to ask someone in the harder hit areas, I havn't been able to do much research on it-- work too much.
anyway --gn
I really meant to let this go, because I'm not trying to persuade anyone anymore. It's all individual choice.
One thing that seems real prevalent in this election is the church getting so involved. I really think the church needs to stay out of government. Telling your followers that a certain vote is a sin really crosses the line.
If someone feels strongly that a certain issue is right or wrong , with no room for interpretation, that's fine. But a church can carry a lot of power over people and this isn't a church state. In fact, this country was built on the right to be free from grip of the church.
After the last couple years of scandels in a certain religious group, I think it would best to keep their opinion to themselves, while they sort out their own 'sins'.
One of the biggest tragedies in this country today is the purposeful misleading of the public on a mass scale.
It's astounding (and frightening) how effectively the Democrat Party has become the weaver of half-truths into a bastardized wholecloth which they wave to rally (hypnotize) their supporters. And it spreads like a virus.
This Democratic "meme" is infecting innocent, half-attentive Americans by the millions....a veritable low-scale, unsuspecting koolaid cult.
We have become truly half-a-nation of unthinking sheep.
For instance, most people don't understand the concept of selectivity bias, the method used by Michael Moore in his film F911. That makes it mere propaganda. You see, a filmmaker could use selectivity bias and produce a film lauding Hitler!
Let me respond to simply ONE of the many sillies posted above:
NO....President Bush is not responsible for the recent legislative effort to reinstate the draft. That was introduced by a Democrat, Charlie Wrangle. He's only been promoting this wacky idea for 2 years now.
You know, Baytitleguy just posted one of the keenest synopses of fact that I've seen in so short a form. And it just seemed to go OVER the heads of Democrat readers.
Facts don't seem to be their brand of koolaid.
Solutionskid
I think you made some great points especially about attitude people have when you have a difference in opinion regarding politics. I have no party affiliation but I gotta say I just don't trust Bush call it a funny feeling or whatever. There are just some flaws there even upon his entrance in the white house and that wasn't even certain. I am not a 101% sure about Kerry either but frankly the opposition has to be better than the existing president and his administration.
A look at "House of Bush House Of Saud" is an eye opener for one. I can name ten more books to read on both sides of the fence. I never ceased to be amazed at how short peoples memories are. I am not talking about 50 or even a hundred years ago. 5 years seem to be enough time for the haze of time to cover a multitude of sins. Who do you think trained the 1st alqueda terrorists? Who put the Taliban into power?
I wonder how many people who are now condemning Kerry for his stance in VN even saw the hearings. But based on a few well placed pics and sound bites on fox news(because they know most folks would rather look at the pictures than actually read about something and make up their own minds) he is suddenly a commie. I am not necessarily a Kerry fan tho he did do some good work in his early years.
If you think Bush is doing the average American any favors just scratch the surface of his little Astros deal and you'll find out WHO paid the bill on that one. And you think he is in your corner now?Things are not as they appear folks.Scratch the surface. Its a shell game and the American people are falling for it. How can he send a bunch of kids to die when he avoided service at every turn. He got deferment after deferment until he had to join the Texas Ntl Gaurd and then seldom showed up for duty. He and Cheney both were VN no shows. But they will ship your kid off to die. All the while Cheney is still raking up the Haliburton bucks. I am not saying we should never go to war. I did.
For that matter if we are so concerned about weapons of mass destruction what do you think was going on between Pak and India at the same time we decided to invade Iraq? That was far more danger to the world than Iraq was. We KNEW these guys had the bomb and were BOTH threatening to use it but didnt invade them. We invaded a country that it turns out didnt have weapons of mass destruction.
The so called patriot act makes it easy as pie for these guys to read your email, search your home w/o a warrant and put you in jail for months and months w/ no charges. But then as long as you arent an Arab it doesnt hit so close to home. Its just a stones throw to your front door tho. Another regime started off this way and things didnt end up so good.
Hey regal -- we stirred up a hornets nest,--- I was with you about dropping it-- I was going to see if you would invite me out to SoCal for surfing, and RE hunting,-- my favorite sports..
But solutions kid had to ruin it, man that was a long post and it ignores so many facts--
Alright solutions kid allow me to rebutt.
First of all let me agree with you on your first point.. New Ideas and free speach should not be shuned "think outside the box"-- you should help me tell the democrats that when someone wants to discuss change in social security, medicare and tax reform that they shouldn't try to scare the
be-jesus out of old people and poor people for votes.-- because no one is proposing to take benefits away from the elderly, and bush took ten mill poor people off the tax rolls altogether. --and your also right, I wish democrats wouldn't be ashamed of the liberal label -- in it's true cense it is a nice idealogy. -- the problem is that dems shy away from it because they can't win a national election that away-example(Mondale, Dukakis, Dean)- Clinton ran as a centrist.-- Kerry wants you to think he's a centrist, but look at his record.
Secondly--- when bush said your with us or against us --- he was talking to other countrys' who where saying one thing and doing another-- pakistan is who put the Taliban in power, luckily made a wise choice to support us in disposing them (sidenote: do you think Kerry would of done that). Anyway he wasn't saying to Americans your with us or against us-- I doubt the SS has been to your house to torture you. --
No one thinks your un-american, as a matter of fact the only time I've heard that phrase is when democrats through it out to play the victim card. - You and I debating is a great American tradition-- Niether of us are more American than the other.
You also said something about a draft, how can you right a post about honesty in politics and claim Bush wants a draft.
LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO PROPOSED A DRAFT ARE 2 DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE(FACT).-- SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT IF YOU AGREE WITH A DRAFT YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS.
Your other point about the "Herd factor" is absurd. We all know the phsychological phenomanom.. But if it where to apply, then it would apply to the democrats.- Example: Films like 911, biased media, 2 years of anti-bush ads, and book after book full of accusations about Bush have led to a hate frenzy based on conspiracy theories, not fact -- It is insulting to presume that 50% of the country supporting Bush are somehow ignorant cows. --
Your other point about Saddam, no one ever said he planned 9-11, and what are you talking about "Bush let him go"-- last time I checked he was sitting in Prison waiting to be tried and executed by the people he oppressed-The Iraqi's.
As far as Osama is concerned he's got 20k special forces after his ass ( more than before Iraq), and pakistani's on the other side. I'm not sure what more we should do outside of invading Pakistan. (he might even be dead).
You said we went thier soley for wmd, and even the stupidest person in the world Knows Bush Lied to us about Iraq,---READ my previous post about why we went to Iraq,--I guess you ignored the facts before typing your post,
We do not invade countrys simply for having WMD or we would take out Great Britian. Iraq was unique in the world even compared to countrys like Iran and N. Korea, -- The reason his WMD where an issue is because in exchange for a ceasefire where we agreed not to go all the way to baghdad- he agreed to give them up (verifiably) --his history of gassing Iranians, and Kurds. Shooting Skuds at Isreal and Saudi Arabia, shooting at American pilots daily, and filling mass graves with 300,000 bodies and his associations with terrorists( as reported in the 911 commission report) . where reasons for finishing the war he started when he invaded kuwait.. Bye the way the war wasn't really preemptive as he started it.-- I will submit that we finished it at a time of our choosing instead of his.-- Although I guess Kerry would have waited for him to teach a couple of terrorists how to make VX gas first, and then he might have bilateral talks.. right.-- plus read my previous post about Iraq's effect on the war on terror,-- "draining the swamp".
One more thing, how can you be so cinicale to think that we are holding Osama, and waiting until Nov. first to announce it, especially after critisising Bush for not catching him..--- It just doesn't make sense..
Anyway-- I don't mean for the tone of this to be so negative as the freedom to debate and disagree are wonderful things and we should respect each others opinion and not take it personaly, but just listen and consider each others point of view.
P.S. It would be interesting to see if anyone has a good reason to vote for Kerry other than he is not Bush..
I said it before and I'll say it again, voting for Kerry because he's not Bush is the single biggest reason there is to vote for him. And how scary is that! Just think about it. How unbelievably poorly must a person do their job that others are willing to vote for an unknown, untested stranger, just to get rid of you. I'm a registered Republican. And I'm voting for Kerry. I'm not from Texas, and can't judge Bush’s performance as Governor of that state. But he has proven time and again that when it comes to doing the job on a global stage, he's just not up to it. He makes rash comments and rash decisions. He commits our country to actions we are neither prepared nor willing to take. And puts other countries, both allies and others, in positions where they must choose to support his personal agenda or be branded an enemy. In a world where trying to live without other countries, means living like North Korea, Bush has put us on dangerous course that I don't want to follow. I believe that our position in the world can be restored while both our safety and the safety of other countries is protected. Can Kerry do that? I don't know. But the last four years have shown me that Bush is either unwilling or unable to do it. So while I would desperately love to vote for someone in whom I had absolute confidence, I am instead forced to vote against someone in whom I have absolutely no confidence.
My $.02:
Anyone who defends Bush scares me what an election this will be.................
Regal that sounds great -- I'll shoot you a post next time I am out there. I've never have surfed in Cali.-- Only Florida, Hawaii, and Costa Rica.
Which gets me thinking I wonder if anyone in this forum knows anything about investing or developing real estate in foriegn country's-- I've done a little research and property in Costa Rica, South Africa and many other places is dirt cheap -and on the rise.
This is a general question as I am not in the position to do anything there now, but have considered it for the future..(you know how we all wish we bought as much property as possible here 30 or 40 years ago --thats where they are now)..-----maybe I should have started a new post--oh well
Let me know.
Foreign investments scare me.
I was thinking that if the r.e. mkt takes a dump, I would make it a goal to sniff out a good deal along the coast. They say there is only so much land in California, but there really is a TON of vacant land inland. There is, however, only a limited amount on the coast.
all i know is this is my first time voting, and i have no party affiliation, but if Bush wins the election I am moving to canada. no way would i want to live in this country when bush is president... AGAIN... and he only won the first time by default!
Thats cool Devlon -- Liberals belong in Canada anyway..although France would be another good option..
Don't get mad everyone I'm only kidding --
Sort of
when did this site get to be a politcal debate? Why dont you guys take this discussion to a more appropriate venue? there are yahoo groups, usenet groups and websites and blogs galore. [ Edited by reklats on Date 10/22/2004 ]
When you look at the description for this particular forum, it reads "Talk about anything EXCEPT real estate."
Keyword "Anything" Unless you're A Liberal (Just Kidding)
Four more years - - Bush/Cheney - '04
Food for thought...
This was written in the Daily Record (Ellensburg, Washington
paper) on Wed. Oct. 6, 2004. It was written by Mathew Manweller
who is a Central Washington University political science professor.
The title of the article was "Election determines fate of nation."
"In that this will be my last column before the presidential
election there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee.
The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high.
This November we will vote in the only election during our
lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a
once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs
in the balance.
Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of
ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its
past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands.
If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the
next 50 years of history.
If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current
occupant of the White House, the message to the world and
ourselves will be twofold. First, we will reject the notion that
America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier,
stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce
to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle Eastis too big
of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future
presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult
challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity
that has characterized other civilizations.
The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to
future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular
decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the
demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn
away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.
Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe
that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed
terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when
you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded
America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four-hour news
stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut
into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10.
The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in
every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity
of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of
grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the
American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there.
Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American
administration without setting foot on the homeland.
It is said that America's WW II generation i s its 'greatest
generation.' But my greatest fear is that it will become known as
America's 'last generation'. Born in the bleakness of the Great
Depression and hardened in the fire of WW II, they may be the
last American generation that understands the meaning of duty,
honor and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms
are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all)
in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake 'living in
America' as 'being an American'. But America has always been
more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do
more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and
responsibilities.
This November, my generation, which has been absent too
long, must grasp the obligation that comes with being an
American, or fade into the oblivion they may deserve. I believe
that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election
of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century.
Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment
America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe
it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the
greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the
City on the Hill."
its bad when you have to vote for the one you think is the least of two "evils"..........km
Great post Jess!
at the end[ Edited by bnorton on Date 10/24/2004 ]
Except for the
this election is a no brainer...we have one party that is for "free enterprise" the other for "redistribution of the wealth" or Socialism...America became the leader of the world under the banner of free enterprise in the short space of 200 yrs. while the mighty powers of the 18th & 19th centuries floundered & died under liberal socialist principles & policies and even today their economies are wrought with 9% unemployment rates (in good times)... Socialism has never worked & never will...everyone here is a "free enterpriser" ...that only leaves ONE party that fits our philosophies and it sure as he** is not the Democrat party. I for one grew up in the north, and have witnessed what the Liberal party has done to Canada and I don't want to see it done here...as Sir Winston Churchill said... "the inherent vice of capitalism is an unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."...Take your choice...CWal
REGAL, I have been reading all the comments back and forth and really did not see a reason to get involved(all the pro bush people were doing great putting your silly comments in place) but I must address the church issue. You obviously dont read the bible so I dont see why you would comment on something you no nothing about. I have never heard of a preacher making people vote a certain way(and if they are that would be wrong). but as a bible believing christian my first duty is to God. and with that said the only logical way for cristians to vote is for whoever shares those same views. all preachers do is remind people what these candidates stand for. bush is anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and other important biblical issues. Kerry is not. so dont sit there and tell the church to stay out of telling people who to vote for. we vote for biblical values and the rest is just politics. honestly, if bush came out today and said he is raising all taxes and is cutting jobs but still shared my biblical points of view, I would still vote for him. all the rest is secondary. we are preparing for a life beyond this one, so are you, you just dont know it yet. Its funny I dont see you telling planned parenthood to stop telling people who to vote for? or the GLADD group? why dont you mention them when they have big parades and rallys telling there people to vote for kerry? The church is powerful because God is poweful and if we can help a better man run this country then so be it. and I know bush is not perfect so please dont bother to bring up anything worng he has done. but he is closer than any candidate to what we believe. and please also dont bring up a few perverts in the catholic denomination and try and act like the whole "church" should be careful what they say, I am sur you would agree that just because a few are sick, doesnt meen everyone is.
Quote:
On 2004-10-14 22:56, california8555 wrote:
<Snip>
George W. Bush
has proven himself an immensely effective president. This disciplined, and independent-minded man took the whole country into a new, unknown path after the tragedy of September 11.
<Snip>
That's all you need to say. Go to the URL below. Turn up the volume and pay attention to the ending. It will give you an even better understanding of what President Bush is all about.
http://tinyurl.com/4vz8l
Cute website. Just as a reminder, Kerry voted for the war based on the same information, and the same intelligence reports. Of course that was before he decided to vote against funding the war. Regardless of why we are there, the fact remains that we are there, and we need to finish the job. Kerry even said that sending someone to war without funding it would be irresponsible, and then he did just that.
Good thing he wasn't the president then. Our troops would be fighting with spitballs right now if he were.
How anyone could vote for Kerry, is beyond my understanding. The man is a bold faced liar. He is severely lacking in the character department. He has already sold this country down the road by what he did after the Vietnam War, and what he is continuing to do today. His entire campaign has been based on destroying Bush. He does not have one positive thing to say, and refuses to: Define what, if any "plans" he really has; He has refused to let the public see what his military record really is; and he has refused to let the world see what is really on his wife's tax returns. The man is a total sham and anyone that votes for him, has no understanding of values and character.
The case for Bush:
http://monicacrowley.org/images/the%20case%20for%20president%20bush.pdf
amen.........go bush!
Hey Devlon - did you move yet? I just want to see if someone actually had the deciency to follow through on their threat.
Quote:
On 2004-10-21 12:23, Devlon wrote:
all i know is this is my first time voting, and i have no party affiliation, but if Bush wins the election I am moving to canada. no way would i want to live in this country when bush is president... AGAIN... and he only won the first time by default!
[ Edited by hoober on Date 03/07/2005 ]