IS THIS A GOOD DEAL?

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SINGLE FAMILY HOME
PURCHASE PRICE $ 312,500
GROSS MONTHLY RENTAL INCOME $2,700
LOAN 10% DOWN @ 6.00% FOR 30 YEARS FIXED

Comments(14)

  • Tophat124th December, 2003

    I LEFT THIS INFO OUT.
    TAXES $ 6,500/YR
    HOMEOWNERS INS. $ 800/YR

  • telemon24th December, 2003

    Me thinkith not.

    I use the 1% rule, meaning that if the purchase price is 312k you need to be able to rent it for no less than 3100/month. The rent does not support positive cash flow.

    Course I am a bit conservative.

  • stormblade24th December, 2003

    Telemon is right - looks like at $2700/mo that this will not provide positive cash flow for several years.

    Do you need the negative cash flow? It is not too much >1000/year for about three years.

    What is the plan for this? is it an investment or your own home to ive in?

  • Worf24th December, 2003

    It would be a matter of preference to say whether or not this is a good deal. What is your goal? Is it to only have someone pay the mortgage? Do you want positive cash flow and how much? Can you afford to tie up 10% or $31k?

    This is how I see it, tell me if I am missing something;
    312,500 purchase price
    31,250 10% down
    281,250 mortgage @6%=
    1688 P&I
    542 taxes
    67 insurance
    2297 PITI payment/month
    150 PMI (estimate)
    2447 total

    $2700
    -$2447
    $253 positive cash flow

    Now, are there any other expenses such as upkeep, repairs, utilities, heat and hot water?
    Do you want to tie up $31k?
    Are you happy with the income that your $31k will net you?
    As I said, personal preference. What are your ultimate goals in acquiring this property?

  • Tophat124th December, 2003

    IT IS AN INVESTMENT.

  • Tophat124th December, 2003

    THANKS FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK.

    I SEE IT AS A CALCULATED RISK.

    I RATHER TIE UP THE MONEY IN THE HOUSE THEN SEE IT SIT IN THE BANK.

    THIS IS MY FIRST INVESTMENT PROPERTY, IT WILL BE A HANDS ON LEARNING EXPERIENCE.

  • Tedjr24th December, 2003

    What is the retail value of the property. If you are buying at retail and waiting for it to go up in value it will not be a good deal unless it goes up at least 15% per year. Some markets it would be considered a great deal but not here at my house. I want positive cash flow with some equity before even buying with 0 down.

    Good LUCK and HAPPY HOLIDAYS

    Hope this helps some

    Ted Jr

  • Tophat124th December, 2003

    AFTER CLOSING COSTS I WOULD HAVE SPENT PROBABLY CLOSE TO FULL MARKET VALUE. IF I WERE TO DO MINOR COSMETIC REPAIRS I MIGHT BE ABLE TO NET ANOTHER 7K IN THE SPRING MARKET.
    I'AM PLANNING TO HOLD ONTO PROPERTY. WHO KNOWS IN FIVE YEARS THEIR MIGHT BE GOOD EQUITY.

  • naxtell24th December, 2003

    Even with a low positive cash flow, appreciation over two years should make you atleast 30,000. That depends on appreciation rate in your area but that 30K is based off of 5% which some areas are much more than that. Even with a negative cash flow for two years you would still be making a hell of alot more than having it sit in the bank. If you want something to do with 30K just give me a call, and I'm sure I could think of something. Merry Christmas.

  • telemon24th December, 2003

    Tophat,

    If you want to be an investor, then you should look at a better return than you are getting. Paying full market value is less than a stellar idea.

    Be careful you don't fall in love with the property, the deal sure isn't sexy, and neither is the return.

    With your 31k you could find/rehab/fix lower end properties till the cows come home and get a much higher ROI.

    Personally I would not do this as my first deal, its a long term hold a best, and negative cash flow at worst. Much too risky.

  • logik24th December, 2003

    it does look risky to me. looks like you would have a very small cash flow and thats if the property is rented 12 months out of the year with NO improvements/repairs needed.
    i would look for a better deal. look for a home that someone needs to sell that you can get for much less than market value.
    just my opinion.

  • ronjung24th December, 2003

    How easy is it to get folks renting a house for $2700? If you screen the tenants and they have good credit, etc... why are they not buying? Seems risky to me.

  • 504GIRL24th December, 2003

    Help! I am interested in real estate investment. I am a school teacher. (Now you know why I need to invest )I have been preapproved by two lenders. I want long-term investments...
    1. Should I shop for more lenders and determine the final by the best offer? 2. What am I looking for? I want to buy property, rent it out, pay off mortgage, have cash flow when retire.
    3. I live in Georgia and have been looking for property in La. (my hometown).. cheaper and rents easily. Wrong idea or right?
    HELP! I don't know where to start.
    Thank you for your experienced comments!!<IMG SRC="images/forum/smilies/icon_confused.gif"> [ Edited by 504GIRL on Date 12/24/2003 ]

  • NickL24th December, 2003

    The OP is from Long Island.

    The housing market on Long Island is probably the hottest in the country.

    In the single family market finding anything, anything at all under 350K (including handyman's & rehabbs) is a damn f***king good deal.

    Also, the demographics are the most desirable. You have a huge, huge amount of disposable income & wealth concentrated in 2 counties, which will only lead to further price appreciation in years ahead (20 - 30% a year)

    I say do it, but do it NOW, because that cheap house today will most definately be GONE tommarrow.

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