Forum Question Regarding Recruiting.
(Posted this in the general forum and I didn't get a single response to this so thats why I am posting it here).
How if any can an investor that is part of tcinvestor recruite bird dogs without breaking the rules(have I missed it?)
If we do not have a place for recruiting people forum or substitute of forum maybe we should consider creating one. I think it is great way to allow new investors (bird dogs) and more seasoned investor to build a network. Networking is everything as everyone knows.
/Chris
You might want to contact others through the PM and not in open www.forum.I answered a question yesterday to a question on Zelenko Properties and the post was gone within 10 seconds of the time I submitted the answer..I had no intention of advertising, but I added, (contact me if you need more) That is not an appropriate response in an open forum. I guess I crossed the line and I am lucky I didnt get put in TCI jail. The rules are spelled out and the moderators will make sure the rules are followed. You have to be careful what you say and where you say it. That is why the PM was set up. Be careful and good luck
You're right, networking is a great thing, so get out there and network in your investing area. Putting up an ad on a national website is hardly what I'd call networking. And likely, you'd get few people that would actually benefit you within your marketing area.
Roger
I believe if you contact somebody thru their profile that is legal?
Jeffrey Adam
It is interesting that is topic has come up.
When I posted recenting asking for bird dogs from across the USA and Canada I was accused of spaming. Even though
I was not selling a prodauct or service which is by the way the definition of spaming.
Reading through the posts I have come across many people asking for investor help and wanting to bird dog for someone anyone. How does one respond what out " the spam nazi police" coming after me.?
Here is a point to ponder, as I surf around this web site a see a great deal of promotion concerning Mr. Locke's Subject 2 course. So I must ask myself "asking around for bird dogs is spaming but selling your hundred dollar REI material is not"?
Or do the "moderators" of this site have immunity from their own policies?
This is an excellent site/community to be apart of, especially in a world where people are such in a 9-5 mind set. The greatest hurdle starting out is fear. Reading REI books like Mr Locke's doesn't eliminate that fear. Being given homework assignments as a bird dog by an investor whether (local or across the globe) does!
Maybe this website should consider re-define what spaming really is. Are truly helping people by threatening to bar investors who want to help? Maybe it wouldn't considered "spaming" if a charged for my bird dog e-booklet instead of offering it free.
[ Edited by rajwarrior on Date 02/21/2004 ]
Adanac,
Posting I need a birddog(s), I am a birddog, or anything else similiar is an ad, plain and simple. If you want to advertise, then contact Joel about actually paying for it.
You say that you see promotion for Mr. Locke's Subto book everywhere. What I've seen is people asking for an opinion on that book/course and getting it for other users. Sorry if it bothers you that it happens to be good opinions. Not once have I found Mr. Locke himself "promoting " his book, as you say.
Question: "do the "moderators" of this site have immunity from their own policies"
Answer: No. Several moderators have lost their status and even be "jailed" for their own failure to follow the simple rules laid out for forum posting. People who have paid to advertise on this site (like Mr. Locke) sometimes will get a slight leeway in their posts because they have actually spent money to advertise themselves. But only a slight leeway.
The simple response to your post is that these are the rules. If you don't agree, you don't have to stay. These are question and answer forums, advertising doesn't need to be within the forums at all.
Normally, I would have just deleted your response, because all it really is is a cheap attempt to promote yourself again and try to disguise it as a complaint, but in this instance I felt it needed a response.
If you're so into giving out "free" information, then why can't you simply post it within the forums. Why do people have to contact you directly?
Personally, I feel that it's because you are simply trying to hustle people, and your "homework" assignments probably aren't really free. You have all of the classic makings of a board hustler, though I could be wrong (it happens occassionally). However, since you felt that need to voice your opinions on the moderators, I'm sure that you don't mind one of them giving their opinion of you.
Roger
Thanks for your opinion on this matter Roger. It is good to know that moderates are also subject to the terms.
As for my previous post: I was venting and attempting to clarify terms that is all.
Please clarify one thing for me. A post above mine suggested " believe if you contact somebody thru their profile that is legal?" It this the case? If the poster is a bird dog asking for investors may I send I private message to the partical bird dog without getting accued of "spaming"? ...I just want you make sure.
Again despite this contraversy you do have a very good site. I have enjoyed his webs site. Keep up that good work every body!
Here is my strict opinion on that.
There shouldn't be any posts saying "i'm a birddog" as these are considered ads and would be deleted. But, if under their profiles, a person lists themselves as a birddog, then you could pm them about their services, NOT offering them yours.
It would be considered board hustling if you're trying to promote something of yours, and it would be considered spamming if you tried to pm every birddog a blanket email.
NOTE: This is only my opinion. Joel Webb is the administrator and owner of the website, and ultimately the judge, jury, and executioner if need be.
Roger
Yes Roger,
I can see your point about posting for bird dogs. Further I also agree if some has posted that they want to bird dog or that they area bird dog then I do not beleive I would be spaming but rather just answering their call for help. The question is does the owner/ operator and or course terminator agree?
Perhaps there need to be a seporate borad created where bird dogs and investors and other can offer shameless self promotion...just an idea.
Very sorry if I offended anyone.
Thanks for the discussion and clarification.
Adanac (the husler and bad boy spammer REI ..
Adanac,
Glad to meet you.
i just counted my private messages from people on this board looking for help. There were 327 private messages so far this month I answered everyone with out a hint of buy anything of mine to anyone of them. You don't see me post on this board to buy my materials, the posts made by my students are done on their own.
Over 2400 posts giving advice and answering questions and I started posting here when there were 300 members.
You have 6 posts and one of them I deleted for hustling and advertising. You are offering to help, who are you with your 6 posts to help anyone but yourself it looks like.
If you are that good start posting to help the members here, why do you need to pm them? Is there something you have to say to them that can't be said on the board?
Your first deleted post consider a free one the next one where you advertise won't be.
As far as a forum to network, all it would be is a haven for board hustlers to prey on the new people. Start posting and gain their respect with your knowledge, they will contact you if they think you can help them.
John $Cash$ Locke
Thank you to everyone that contributed to this post and voiced their opinions; I am not sure I understand why we or someone could strategies a good way for good beginners and seasoned investors to meet apart from going through everyone's profile and actually spam them that way (it does seem to me as if I would spam someone by contacting them without their consent). It therefore seem logic to me to have a place where people could network by clicking on their own state and then pick a county and go by it that way. Of course we can all join the local RE club but I had hoped that there was additional ways of networking.
I do understand that there are people that prey on beginners and that is making everything so much harder (double edge sword).