Lowes has SprayTech (Wagner) and Home Depot has
units made by Graco. You can get a decent one from both for about $300. The one Sherwin sells for $329 is also a SprayTech and equivalent to the $298 system at Lowes I believe.
These units will handle up to a .015 (orafice size) tip. Tips have numbers like 213, 413, 515 etc. The first number is "half" the spray fan width at 1 foot from the wall and the second two numbers is the orafice size.
So a 213 tip has a 4" fan and .013 orafice. Similarly, a 515 tip has a 10" fan with a .015 orafice.
I've had a couple of Wagner Power Painters which aren't bad for small jobs. You have to refill the cup a lot and it gets heavy making the gun harder to maneuver but cleanup is a lot quicker than with a larger airless rig with hose and all.
a/l sprayers are only good for "big" jobs like being able to mask and paint a whole home before move-in. for small jobs, one room for ex. a brush and roller is best but for things like garage doors they are great. the commerical a/l are for volume painting.......km
Two words...Pawn shop. I would look there first Ihave found some great deals on equipment., The caveat is that you won't get the warranty on the product.
I saw this and i'm in the middle of painting a kitchen. I have an airless unit and i'm doing it with a roller and brush. Just easier. By the time I taped everything off I'm half done with my roller. I'm no pro though.
That's a small job much better suited to a roller. I wouldn't recommend using an airless for something like that. If you are just doing "the walls" anywhere in the house, a roller and brush is the way to go.
Where it gets a bit more difficult is when you need the ceilings painted (popcorn), walls, trimwork, doors and cabinetry. Airless is the only way to go on popcorn ceilings and woodwork IMO. Spraying woodwork yields extrememly professional looking results.
In these situations, masking may seem like a pain in the ass but it's worth it. In those situations where you need to paint everything, it takes no longer to mask and spray than it does to hand paint. I've done it both ways and from my experience, masking and spraying is actually quicker.
I have even redone entire kitchens in the past just using one of those cheapo handheld Wagner Power Painters with excellent results.
I find it odd however that many people are scared to death of spray painting or using oil based paint where required. Somehow they have been convinced that it's "more work" or you really need to have lot's of "experience" to work with something that doesn't clean up with water.
I would never waste money on a wagner, I know many people with new looking wagners in the shop or garage that no longer work. Stick with Graco, Titan etc.
I bought a rebuilt titan 440i for about $400 on ebay last year and it pumps out more paint per minute than I need and will be around for awhile....
I know of no contractor using a wagner more than one job.
I started off with a Wagner power sprayer. I went through 2 of them just doing light painting on my own house. I then made up my mind to buy a real sprayer and I looked real hard in the pawn shops around town.
I finally found one : A Graco "Magnum" I paid $300 for this machine took it home and it didn't even hold a prime. I returned it and luckily got all of my money back. I looked hard for about 2 months in the pawn shops. My experience was that the wanted too much $ for machines that had a lot of time on them.
After talking to the sprayer mechanics at the Sherwin Williams Commercial store, they told me that this "Magnum "machine is a real piece of crap. cheap parts etc. Home Depot sells this machine as a "Homeowner sprayer"
The Graco magnum line is nothing like the commercial line of Graco's.
I ended up buying a new Titan 440i and love it. It is small, light compact and has the ability to put out some serious material. If you plan on painting at least one house per year -invest in a good sprayer.
If you are just doing a few closet doors a year-you can get by with a wagner for a while- but that $89.00 will only get you 3-5 gallons of paint before it craps out on you.
Spraytech is owned by wagner (or vice vs)
I was told that these larger spraytech machines are good basic sprayers as well.
Also: Check your sherwin williams store. My store here always has their rental sprayers for sale and the price drops the older the machine gets.(You might have to find your commercial store where they repair the sprayers)
wanger has a decent {to bad} depends on your needs for around $400 to $600. a pro. system 2k and up look on ebay......km
I was looking at buying a small unit from Sherwin Williams for $329
Lowes has SprayTech (Wagner) and Home Depot has
units made by Graco. You can get a decent one from both for about $300. The one Sherwin sells for $329 is also a SprayTech and equivalent to the $298 system at Lowes I believe.
These units will handle up to a .015 (orafice size) tip. Tips have numbers like 213, 413, 515 etc. The first number is "half" the spray fan width at 1 foot from the wall and the second two numbers is the orafice size.
So a 213 tip has a 4" fan and .013 orafice. Similarly, a 515 tip has a 10" fan with a .015 orafice.
I've had a couple of Wagner Power Painters which aren't bad for small jobs. You have to refill the cup a lot and it gets heavy making the gun harder to maneuver but cleanup is a lot quicker than with a larger airless rig with hose and all.
a/l sprayers are only good for "big" jobs like being able to mask and paint a whole home before move-in. for small jobs, one room for ex. a brush and roller is best but for things like garage doors they are great. the commerical a/l are for volume painting.......km
Thanks for the responses.
Are these sprayers that you mention good for painting the whole house inside and out or are they only good for smaller jobs.
thanks.
I don't think I would consider using a sprayer if I wasn't doing a full repaint of a house....
More specifically, YES. These sprayers I mentioned are for big (whole house) jobs.
Two words...Pawn shop. I would look there first Ihave found some great deals on equipment., The caveat is that you won't get the warranty on the product.
I saw this and i'm in the middle of painting a kitchen. I have an airless unit and i'm doing it with a roller and brush. Just easier. By the time I taped everything off I'm half done with my roller. I'm no pro though.
thx..ron
That's a small job much better suited to a roller. I wouldn't recommend using an airless for something like that. If you are just doing "the walls" anywhere in the house, a roller and brush is the way to go.
Where it gets a bit more difficult is when you need the ceilings painted (popcorn), walls, trimwork, doors and cabinetry. Airless is the only way to go on popcorn ceilings and woodwork IMO. Spraying woodwork yields extrememly professional looking results.
In these situations, masking may seem like a pain in the ass but it's worth it. In those situations where you need to paint everything, it takes no longer to mask and spray than it does to hand paint. I've done it both ways and from my experience, masking and spraying is actually quicker.
I have even redone entire kitchens in the past just using one of those cheapo handheld Wagner Power Painters with excellent results.
I find it odd however that many people are scared to death of spray painting or using oil based paint where required. Somehow they have been convinced that it's "more work" or you really need to have lot's of "experience" to work with something that doesn't clean up with water.
I would never waste money on a wagner, I know many people with new looking wagners in the shop or garage that no longer work. Stick with Graco, Titan etc.
I bought a rebuilt titan 440i for about $400 on ebay last year and it pumps out more paint per minute than I need and will be around for awhile....
I know of no contractor using a wagner more than one job.
I started off with a Wagner power sprayer. I went through 2 of them just doing light painting on my own house. I then made up my mind to buy a real sprayer and I looked real hard in the pawn shops around town.
I finally found one : A Graco "Magnum" I paid $300 for this machine took it home and it didn't even hold a prime. I returned it and luckily got all of my money back. I looked hard for about 2 months in the pawn shops. My experience was that the wanted too much $ for machines that had a lot of time on them.
After talking to the sprayer mechanics at the Sherwin Williams Commercial store, they told me that this "Magnum "machine is a real piece of crap. cheap parts etc. Home Depot sells this machine as a "Homeowner sprayer"
The Graco magnum line is nothing like the commercial line of Graco's.
I ended up buying a new Titan 440i and love it. It is small, light compact and has the ability to put out some serious material. If you plan on painting at least one house per year -invest in a good sprayer.
If you are just doing a few closet doors a year-you can get by with a wagner for a while- but that $89.00 will only get you 3-5 gallons of paint before it craps out on you.
Spraytech is owned by wagner (or vice vs)
I was told that these larger spraytech machines are good basic sprayers as well.
Also: Check your sherwin williams store. My store here always has their rental sprayers for sale and the price drops the older the machine gets.(You might have to find your commercial store where they repair the sprayers)
Happy painting